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The political methodology meetings have changed a great deal in recent years. In 1984, the first political methodology meeting was held at the University of Michigan with only a handful of participants. The 2004 Political Methodology meeting at Stanford University had over 130 participants. The 2006 meeting had 86 faculty + 53 grad students (give or take). The demand to attend the conference is high; space and other costs are limited. Plus, as the conference grows, it loses the collegiality and other social aspects of earlier meetings. What, if anything, should be done?

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I don't want to rant too much about an issue that I raised at the 2006 conference. But here goes.
For future meetings it is crucial to force paper-givers to post their papers at least a week before the conference. A last-possible-minute norm has clearly developed. This is the fault of no individual, but at the collective level it's ridiculous.
For most conferences, last-minute papers are a nuisance, but not a big deal. Methods is different, since a 100+ person audience spends 90 minutes thinking about a single paper. This is _valuable_ time, so authors have a responsibility to actually distribute the paper in advance so that people can read and think about it. Last-minute deliveries also reduce the quality of discussant comments (and 15-20 minutes of bad discussant comments is a lot of wasted time for a 100+ person audience). In the long run it will be difficult to recruit quality discussants if they anticipate getting papers at the last minute.
I'm sorry to rant about this, but it needed to be said, and something needs to be done.
-Ken Shotts
One problem with the current size of the methods program is that some good papers are rejected and to some extent the paper presenters seem to be senior people who have often presented before. In order to have junior people involved, we ended up with a lot of junior faculty as discussants which raised other concerns about junior people having to discuss senior people they may be worried about offending. Partly this is simply because as the size of methods has grown many of the more senior faculty continue to be productive and have interesting projects which is great for the discipline. However, this means that there is less room for papers by junior scholars than when these senior people were junior even if everyone had an equal shot at presenting a paper.
An obvious solution is to become a bigger conference. This is of course a controversial issue, but if the conference is not to be made smaller. Some alternatives I've thought of is to have a bias in favor of papers by junior scholars or some such thing to address the fact that it is increasingly difficult for junior scholars to have their papers accepted.
A different concern I have about the meeting -- at its current size -- is given that presenting a paper is competitive and good papers are rejected it is a problem when authors drop themselves from the program and there is no replacement. This happened this year and I have heard it happened in the past. What do people think of having one or two papers designated as alternatives -- i.e. as the papers that get an open slot if one or two develop? I see it as better than being rejected.
On posting:
I completely agree. Methods presentations are not like hearing usual research -- I need time to read through the formulas etc. to get it. But maybe that's just me. But if they were so easy to get, wouldn't more people show up at panels at APSA and Midwest?
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One other option is to do what is done in other sciences and emphasize posters. A faculty poster session would be great, so long as it was viewed as equally valuable to presentations. Presenations could then be selected on their pedogogical value and/or breadth of influece on methodology.
The debate has become watered down due to the expansion of the group. Part of this is due to just the size of the meetings. But part of the problem is that there are a lot of hangers on which don't follow what is going on and (much more seriously) don't support the norms of open and vigorous debate.
Oh, and in an effort to increase diversity of universities or whatever some of the disscussants who where chosen were out of their league.
don't support the norms of open and vigorous debate.
Just curious -- how do you know they don't support these norms?
I agree re:some discussants being out of their league
Anything constructive to say on the topic? Only famous people can be discussants?
Let's not lose sight of Ken's comment -- all discussants need time to parse the work. Especially with the proliferation of techniques over the years, discussants have a real job to do at methods. They need more than 3 days. Even a smart discussant can look flat footed when they can't read the paper until the plane ride.
The choice of discussants should be based on expertise first. When this requirement is met, other considerations can and should apply.
But here's the problem:
If a paper requires so much expertise that only a couple of people can discuss it, then should it be presented in the first place? I'm all for having people have an opportunity to discuss narrow work at the meeting, but there may be a better way to do this.
Instead of being more selective on discussants, maybe be more selective on who presents--correct that--be more selective on the breadth of topic presented.
and, again, GET THE PAPERS OUT in a timely fashion. A discussant's first exposure to a topic that more than 5 people work on should not be in preparation for the discussion.
But if their first exposure to the paper is a couple days before the meetings, even a paper within their expertise won't be well served.
As someone who enjoys the methods meetings and is interested in the topics (but is likely only to apply some of the methods to a substantive area, not to develop new methods or refine existing ones), I might be considered one of those "hanger-ons" who dilute the meeting for all of the "pure" methodologists. I understand the desire to have smaller meetings. But the methods community needs to decide what the purpose of the meetings is. Is it only for the top methods people to meet and discuss their latest work?
I have a couple of related questions as well:
How is acceptance to the Methods meeting currently decided? Not for presenters, but for those who simply wish to attend?
And, realistically, if all who wanted to attend the meeting were allowed to do so (let's assume they all pay their own way), how big would the conference be likely to get?
"If a paper requires so much expertise that only a couple of people can discuss it, then should it be presented in the first place?"
This is the Methods meeting. There are not that many people who are on top of a given subfield of methods---not many who can discuss the technical issues at a high level. But may people will use these tools so the tools themselves and discussions about them are of broad interest.
Let me also add that that is why it is important to have good discussants. People who cannot or did not read the paper often make judgments based on the tone of the discussion. In this sense, I have to agree that it's much more important to have competence in discussants than to have diversity (on any measure). When the meetings were smaller, people could hash out the issues more effectively. The larger meetings are much closer to a "show" with an audience listening more than participating.
In this sense, I have to agree that it's much more important to have competence in discussants than to have diversity (on any measure).
--
So which discussants were not competent?
On the other hand, some of the discussants were very good. In some cases the speaker failed to make a main point but the discussant cryztallized it well.
When the meetings were smaller, people could hash out the issues more effectively. The larger meetings are much closer to a "show" with an audience listening more than participating.
I think what we have evolved into is a system with that same small meeting and some onlookers. The onlookers know there is an 'inner core' group and they (onlookers) do not try to take contol. The core group is free to hash it out as much as ever.
There may be a place for a smaller meeting with a couple dozen people but it is important for the section that there be something bigger. The summer meetings are a point of pride for the section and I think they are about right size-wise.
So which discussants were not competent?
It would not be polite to name names---especially as anonymous cowards. Besides, if you don't know, ask people who have been around. There were some embarrassing cases who were on the program for nonintellectual reasons.
nonintellectual reasons
Like what -- incriminating photos from the FSU meeting?
I think beating around the bush is not going to get us anywhere. If you are going to criticize discussants (alluding to 'diversity' eg), I think you should come right out and state who seemed to be weak or ineffectual with their role at the meeting and why (ie what the problems were). Vaguely alluding to diversity makes it seem like you are only in support of white men from elite schools at the summer meetings.
Discussing papers at the Methods meeting is a somewhat different task than discussing papers at other conferences. At the most recent meeting, younger people served as discussants more often than they have at previous meetings. Sincere, well-meant (private) criticism would be more helpful (and far more consistent with the mentoring tradition of the Methods group), than vague references to the non-intellectual reasons for their selection.
The problem is not the bad discussants. That is a symptom. The problem really is that everyone does not know who the bad discussants were. So naming names does not solve anything.
As for bring in the "white males" argument, that holds no water here. Competence is not judged by race. Take Walter Mebane, for example. He's not white and I don't think people would regard the opinion of a "white male" to be automatically favored over his comments.
I think beating around the bush is not going to get us anywhere.
And it's leaving the wrong impression about the discussants, young or otherwise, who did a fine job.
The problem really is that everyone does not know who the bad discussants were. So naming names does not solve anything.
What? It will solve the problem of people not knowing who the bad discussants were, rather easily.
Perhaps some of those selected did not realize what was expected or involved in serving as a discussant for this conference. It might help to identify what some discussants did well (what made them excellent discussants) and some problems with the not-so-strong discussant comments/presentations.
Let me rephrase. The problem is that everyone at the conference was not able to independently assess for himself who the bad discussants were. Telling people who the bad discussants were does not solve that problem. This goes back to the "show" statement. If it is going to be a "show" then the "show" should convey correct information. That is, it is important to have discussants (and papers) that are high quality. Otherwise, the value of the meetings declines considerably.
The problem is that everyone at the conference was not able to independently assess for himself who the bad discussants were.
Well maybe they weren't so bad then. Or are the other participants just not enlightened enough to share the view expressed here that the "non-intellectual discussants" were no good?
Popular opinion is not the right standard to use for judging here. I think people have made the case that much of the methods meeting is very specialized. I also hear that people (who I assume are "specialist" in some area) found the discussants lacking. This isn't to say they were all lacking. If you're a specialist in some area and want to praise a discussant, please, by all means, do so. I doubt any of us ("core" included) could say we read all the papers and were specialists on all topics. The object is to learn from each other, and what I am hearing is that we are not doing that as well as we could (due somewhat to how the meetings are run).
Popular opinion is not the right standard to use for judging here.
I second the excellent comments of 8:59 am right above.
http://jackman.stanford.edu/blog/?p=71
Tobin Grant at http://poliscimethods.blogspot.com/ says:
Future Political Methodology Meetings
The political methodology meetings have changed a great deal in recent years. In 1984, the first political methodology meeting was held at the University of Michigan with only a handful of participants. The 2004 Political Methodology meeting at Stanford University had over 130 participants. The 2006 meeting had at least 87 (according to the participant list on the conference website). The demand to attend the conference is high; space and other costs are limited. Plus, as the conference grows, it loses the collegiality and other social aspects of earlier meetings. What, if anything, should be done?
I’ve gone back and forth on this, but I think there is no alternative to a big meeting, or even a bigger meeting. I’d even propose we make the meeting bigger again, with Wednesday being “student day”: workshops, seminars, labs, etc, with posters that evening.
If people want to come and do (or listen to) political methodology for 4 days in mid-summer, and indeed, they are even willing to pay their own way, then whats the basis for rationing to a select few? If someone want a smaller, more intimate meeting, say focusing on a particular topic, then they should go ahead and host it themselves (and indeed, there is more of that going on).
Finally, I think the smaller is better thing is a little bogus. A law of large numbers with talks/seminars starts to kick in around 25 people or so… If you are talking about meetings of 12-20, then thats one thing (and untenable), but once you go to 30, may as well get a big room, microphones, name tags, good video projection, and go to 130…
I tend to agree re: not worrying about the increasing size. How did the "fund a graduate student" work out for this past conference? I don't remember seeing that option at past meetings.
Perhaps size is also driving more local developments: the Northeast Methods Meeting that Jonathan Nagler has been running at NYU now for several years and the upcoming Bay Area Methods Meeting (BAMM!) that kicks off in February (which Simon surprisingly forgot to mention above). I could easily a self-supporting Midwest/Big-10 one as well, though no mention of such a thing exists. There was also once SCAMP (Southern California Area Methods Program), but it seems to be done. Although it's a bit balkanizing, maybe we're headed towards one large meeting and several small meetings that recapture the old days.
The easiest way to simultaneously deal with size of the conference being too big and the quality/lateness of papers is to require a finished paper as part of the application. I understand this is fairly common in the natural sciences.
Public Choice requires completed papers.
But Public Choice also accepts everything.
If the methods meeting requires completed papers which are then subject to peer review for acceptance (and some are rejected), then one could publish a proceedings of the conference (perhaps online) and have it count as a peer reviewed article.
Personally, I think this would be very nice. Whether the discipline can support two methods "journals" (PA plus the proceedings) is not clear to me.
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